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house occupied by Pang-nga Koi, in which Mrs Caldwell-lived, was not used as a brothel, but was an undertaker's shop. I have never been a Procuress. If Lyons said I told him Shaplok was a god-sister of Mrs Caldwell he has spoken falsely. The conversation with him was in English.
cause of complaint, that is to say, the wrongful evidence, but stating his intention to prefer a complaint to the Govern- ment that I knew of the existence of the brothel, because I visited a house in the vicinity, and had not prosecuted the brothel. I thereupon wrote a letter of complaint to the Government against the Registrar General, for bringing my Cross-examined,—I have been in Hongkong about 18 or name into a question when urging a wrongful accusation, 19 years. In the beginning of the colony I kept a brothel and against the Acting Colonial Secretary for the part he in the centre of Victoria. I am now a married woman, and took in the matter. I received a letter from the Acting supported by my husband, who keeps a shop. I ceased to Colonial Secretary by direction of the Governor,-stating keep a brothel 14 years ago. I have seen Mrs Caldwell's that a charge had been brought against me by the Acting mother, but do not know her name, nor what her occupation Colonial Secretary for not carrying out the Brothels' Ordi-was. I have not seen Shaplok since last year. There is a per- nance, and censuring me for such misconduct. I dis- son called Mangtai P'o. I have not seen her at Pang-nga Koi's tinctly state, that the cause of my opposition to the house. I do not know if she is any relation or connection Police being employed in carrying out the Brothel Ordi- by blood or usage of Mrs Caldwell. I do not know Mr nance, as I several times verbally expressed to the Acting Caldwell's surname. Colonial Secretary, was, that it would open a floodgate for the inuadation of the Police department with bribery, extortion, and corruption, and that I thought it advisable to keep the temptation from the Police. I also considered, as I several times verbally expressed, that the Registrar Gene- ral was the person appointed by the ordinance to carry out its provisions, and I was loath to interfere in his manage- ment in any way.
CHING LIN-HEE-Called and examined.
Adjourned till Friday at 12.
EIGHTH DAT,
Friday, 11th June, 1858, at 12 o'clock Noon. Present-All the Members, except Mr Scarth. ANDREW LYSAGHT INGLIS,-Called and examined. I hold the offices of Governor of the Gaol, Acting Harbour Master, and Acting Emigration Officer. I have known Mr Caldwell since 1844, and Mrs Caldwell since about the same time.
With reference to charge 2 I can say nothing of my own knowledge, neither can I say anything with respect to charges 5, 14, 15, and 17.
I reside in Tai-ping-shan West Street. I knew Mrs Caldwell 10 or more years ago, when she was 12 or 13 years old.
She was then living in the central part of the town, in a house occupied by Pang-nga Koi, who kept an undertaker's shop, but is long since dead. I cannot tell whether Pang-nga Koi was any relation to Mrs Caldwell. Pang-
I decline to answer whether of my own knowledge I nga Koi had at that time one son who lived in the house, and know that Mrs Caldwell was a Chinese girl from a brothel. I was a child at the time. She had no daughter. I do not knew a female whom I at one time believed to be Mrs Cald- know why Mrs Caldwell was residing there; I only saw her well's sister, but whether by blood or usage, I do not know. there. I do not know Mrs Caldwell's mother. She lived in I do not know whether she is dead or alive at the present the same house, as also did Shaplók, I do not know if Shap-moment. I have no knowledge of this female keeping a lok is related to Mrs Caldwell, her mother, or to Ping-nga Koi. Mrs Caldwell was called Ayow when she was a child. I do not know 'whether Ayow and Shaplok were sworn sisters, or god-sisters, according to any Chinese habit or usage; and I do not know whether Ayow had any adopted, sworn, or god- sister. I recollect speaking with a foreigner [Lyons] about 10 days ago, about the repair of the roof of my house. I do not know his name. This European asked me if I knew Sam- kwei's (Mr Caldwell's) woman, and I said that I did when she was a child, but not since. I have seen Mrs Caldwell at Mr Caldwell's house when I have been there on business, but I have not spoken to her. I never told Lyons that Shaplok was a sort of god-sister to Mrs Caldwell. He asked me if I knew Shaplok, whether she had a house for singing. I said Cross-examined,—It most decidedly does not necessarily I knew Shaplok, but that I did not know that she had a follow that all Chinese women, either married to, or living house for singing. I told him Shaplok used to lived near with, Europeans, must previously have been inmates of Achong's, the P. & O. Comprador. I do not know whether brothels. I have known several instances of women who had Shaplok had a brothel in the years 1856 or 1857. The never been inside of a brothel living with Europeans. [Mr
brothel in the years 1856-7. I do not recollect her name and do not think I have seen her since 1845 or 1846. I may have heard the name Shaplok, but I do not recollect any one of that name, and do not know if the female mentioned above was called Shaplok. I do not know Chun Atsoo. I do not recollect any other female whom I believed to be a sister or a sister-in-law, by blood or usage, of Mrs Caldwell. I did not know a person of the name of Ping-nga Koi I cannot tell the family name of Mrs Caldwell. I do not know her mother's name.
I knew also
a little boy whom I believed to be her brother, but whether by blood or usage I do not know. I do not remember his name, and I have not seen him since 1845-6.
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aldwell states it to be his wish that Mr Inglis should parties she would not. I asked her then, if the other party answer the question referring to Mrs Caldwell, that he had who had the deed of sale, would sell his part also, whether she declined to answer.] Of my own knowledge I know that would buy both. She said "I won't talk so much about it; if Mrs Caldwell was at one time an inmate of a brothel. I you produce the deed I'll buy it, but if you don't I will not." knew the house and have been in it myself; and from what I I then advanced $400 for my mistress, for which I am to be saw of the inmates I have no doubt it was a brothel. This answerable. My mistress said, if I could obtain the deed she must have been in April 1844. Mrs Caldwell was I think would buy it, but if not I should take the lot. The deed then about 15 years of age. I do not know if there was a has not been produced, and she has not purchased it. man who taught singing and music in the house. I never Cross-examined, I never spoke to Mr Caldwell on this saw any act of prostitution committed there, nor am I subject, and do not know whether Mrs Caldwell spoke to aware of such having been committed there. I was never Mr Caldwell concerning the arrangement. Between the in the house but once, and then in company with two time I spoke to Mrs Caldwell and the payment of the money, Europeans. I do not know whether the females I saw in a fortnight elapsed.
I got
the $400 from my mistress. the house were there as permanent inmates or for the pur- pose of prostitution, or only casual inmates for a particular purpose. Mrs Caldwell was at that time known by the name of Ayow. I do not know who kept the house.
Mr Caldwell was not present at the time of the payment, nor at any time that I was speaking to Mrs Caldwell about the purchase. I am the only security she has got for the I never $400; she was only to have one shop for the $470. saw the owner of the other, and did not commence any negociation with him,
LUM ALEEN,-Called and examined.
On the 9th May, Mr May and his servant came to me and had a conversation with me. Mr May asked me through his
paired by Yee Wo Fook, who was collector of the rent. He also asked who was the owner of the shop, and I said Sam- kwei, meaning Mr Caldwell. I do not recollect Mr May saying that Mr Woods had bought the property. I have occupied the house since 20th August 1857; I took it from Yee Wo Fook, and have paid him rent ever since. I do not know of my own knowledge that this property belongs to Mr Caldwell; I have only heard so from others when I first took the shop, I have never paid any of the rent to Mr Caldwell, nor have I spoken to him concerning repairs.
I recollect the removal of the houses from Choong Wan to Taipingshan, and think it must have been about the time above mentioned. I have never seen Mrs Caldwell in a brothel on any other occasion. At the time of my visit it was my impression, that Mrs Caldwell was not living with Mr Caldwell, but was promised to him. There can be no mistake that the female who was pointed out to me was after-servant, who was repairing my shop; I said it was being re- wards Mrs Caldwell. The women I saw there may have been singing women and not prostitutes-I am not certain.
Re-examined, I do not know of my own knowledge that the female to whom I have referred as the one I believed to be Mrs Caldwell's sister, ever at any time kept a brothel. At the time I went to this house Mr Caldwell was living with another woman called Aoon. I have seen Mrs Caldwell at different times while she was living with Mr Caldwell, but before their marriage. It does not necessarily follow that because a Chinese woman is living with a European she must have come from a brothel, or been brought to this colony by a procuress for the purpose of prostitution. They may at any time be obtained from families on the main- land without the intervention of procuresses. Europeans frequently walk into Chinese family houses here without the introduction of the head of the family. I knew in 1846-7 a woman who was called "Queen of the Taipingshan," who was a brothel-keeper at the time,
LAI SZE-KAI,--Recalled.
Cross-examined,At the time of this conversation with Mr May the shop was not under repair. The whole of the range except mine, had a new brick front. Mr May asked me through his servant, why I did not build up my front, an d I said that I could not purchase bricks. I did not mention Mr Caldwell's name in connection with the purchase of the bricks; I do not know to whom the newly repaired houses belonged, and I said so to Mr May. There is a small shop next to mine, and on the other side of this shop there is a brothel. Mr May did not speak to me concerning this brothel; nor did I say anything about it to him.
YOONG AYOONG,-Called and examined.
I know Leong Atai; he came to me at my shop about the 23d April last. He said that his relation had a house in Taipingshan, which he wanted to sell for $600. He said he had been to Mr May's mistress, who wished to purchase the I am Mr May's servant; I went on the 9th May with Mr house, and that if I did not want it he would let her have it. May to brothel 48. Upon asking who lived there a man About two or three days after this I went to Tong Wingcho, a 40 years of age presented himself. I asked him why he did zeletion, who said that he wanted some money to set up an not put a new front to the house, and he replied that he Opium shop, and asked me to get somebody to buy the would do it by and by. I asked to whom the house be- property. I asked my mistress, Mrs Caldwell, if she would longed, and he said to Mr Caldwell. This was the only buy it at $470. My mistress said, that if there was a deed she person who spoke to me, but there were some females and would buy the house, but if the lot was divided between two others standing near. I said to the man "Mr Caldwell
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